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Keep an open mind,
but not so open that your brain falls out.



I strongly believe -- as strongly as I believe anything -- that as physicist Jose Wudka put it: "The scientific method is the best way yet discovered for winnowing the truth from lies and delusion", and therefore that the picture of the world as assembled by the scientific community is the best available to us.

Believers in "fringe" topics tend to describe science and scientists as a closed conspiratorial community of fuddy-duddies concerned with simply rejecting all ideas that aren't part of scientific orthodoxy. This picture is about as far from the truth as possible.

The history of science is the story of the adoption of new ideas, even "crazy, radical" ones --as long as the advocates of these ideas can produce convincing objective evidence for them. It's difficult to think of any idea that is part of "scientific orthodoxy" now that wasn't a crazy radical new idea a few hundred years ago, or even a few years ago.

If you have a new idea that is not currently accepted by science (or, for that matter, an old idea), just prove it, and you will be accepted by science, and very likely win the Nobel Prize. If you find yourself saying "These scientists are just rejecting my 'proofs' in a conspiratorial manner", then the odds are 99% that your proofs are wrong, and that you need to change your ideas, rather than continuing to expect the scientists to change theirs.

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I strongly support the "scientific", "skeptical", philosophically naturalistic and materialisticworldview which IMHO is aptly summarized by Isaac Asimov's essay "Knock Plastic":

"... knocking wood (for luck) is only one example of a class of notions, so comforting and so productive of feelings of security, that men (sic) will seize upon them on the slightest provocation or on none at all. ...

I have come up with six very broad Security Beliefs that, I think, blanket the field ..."

  1. There exist supernatural forces that can be cajoled or forced into protecting mankind.

      Here is the essence of superstition. ...

      What scientists do is work on the assumption that Security Belief No. 1 is false.

  2. There is no such thing, really, as death.

  3. There is some purpose to the Universe.

      (-- though) ... each of us can so arrange his (sic) own personal life so as to make it meaningful
      to himself and to those he influences

  4. (Some) Individuals have special powers that will enable them to get something for nothing.

  5. You are better than the next fellow.

  6. If anything goes wrong, it's not one's own fault.

(my parentheses -- ed.)
Don't miss the rest of the article -- Asimov goes into considerably more detail.
Included in
Magic; The Final Fantasy Collection by Isaac Asimov



So, the "scientific", philosophically naturalistic, philosophically materialistic converses of these would go something like --

  1. There are no supernatural forces that can be cajoled or forced into protecting mankind.

  2. Death is real.

  3. The Universe has no purpose.

      (-- though) ... each of us can so arrange his (sic) own personal life so as to make it meaningful
      to himself and to those he influences

  4. No one has any special powers that will enable them to get something for nothing.

  5. You are no better than the next person.

  6. You are responsible for your own decisions and actions.


Among the subjects not extensively discussed on this site are the "fringe topics" listed below.

We can loosely divide these into:
- The "supernatural" -- things that are "beyond" the natural world. E.g., Life after death, supernatural beings, the power of prayer
- The "fringe natural" or "pseudoscientific" -- aspects of the natural world not recognized by conventional science. E.g., Bigfoot, UFOs as extraterrestrials, alternative medicine therapies
There is some overlap between these, and some topics that don't fit neatly into these categories.

As I've said elsewhere on this site, I don't think there's any good evidence for the supernatural in any form (or to rephrase, I think it makes a lot more sense to interpret reports of "supernatural" phenomena as being, in fact, unusual psychological processes, deluded thinking, and card tricks.)

(However, I am open to modifying my views if additional evidence warrants.)

I feel that the evidence is pretty strong that brief and occasional -- but poorly understood -- "hallucinatory" experiences are not rare in sane ordinary people, and account for many accounts of odd stuff, such as ghosts, space people, big hairy "ogres", etc, etc. (Cf the reasonably well-known and common subjects dreaming, schizophrenia, sleep paralysis).



Note also that there are often strong psychological factors affecting belief in these things.


"Religion (And I include the "religion-like fringe beliefs" in the same category) is based, I think, primarily and mainly upon fear. It is partly the terror of the unknown and partly, as I have said, the wish to feelthat you have a kind of elder brother who will stand by you in all your troubles and disputes. Fear is the basis of the whole thing -- fear ofthe mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. It is because fear is at the basis of those two things. In this world we can now begin a little to understand things, and a little to master them by help of science, which has forced its way step by step against the Christian religion (and others! The Christians certainly have no monopoly here), against the churches, and against the opposition of all the old precepts. Science can help us to get over this craven fear in which mankind has lived for so many generations.Science can teach us, and I think our own hearts can teach us, no longer to look around for imaginary supports, no longer to invent alliesin the sky, but rather to look to our own efforts here below to make this world a better place to live in, instead of the sort of place that the churches in all these centuries have made it."

The section "Fear, the Foundation of Religion"
from "Why I Am Not A Christian"
by Bertrand Russell



People want to believe that there is life after death People want to believe that the health problems of themselves and their loved ones can be cured.People want to believe that there are simple, comprehensible, answers to extremely complex problems. People want to believe that complex issues can be controlled by human beings (or by supernatural "people" who are not human beings), and that we can improve the world by dealing with those individuals. People want to believe that there is meaning in the Universe. Indeed, it's common to hear people say
"I can't accept the idea that the Universe is Godless, random, material, etc." Well, Bucky, the facts of the matter are not influenced by whether you can accept them or not.

People say,
"I don't like that bad old science because it chips away at belief in the things that comfort me, and without them, I'm afraid." Well, I feel for you. I'm sorry that you are fearful. But I don't think that fear can justify believing or disseminating lies. We have to very, very honestly try to determine what is true and what is not (and what works and what does not), and believe, state, and use the true and effective rather than the false and ineffective.



I should also probably emphasize that in my younger days I was very interested in these topics and read voraciously on them (and continue to take a passing interest in them), so I do have a pretty good idea what I'm talking about. (I.e., Please don't email me about any of this stuff.)







A sea sepent






- "Fringe Topics": A representative sample -





An excellent summation -

xkcd

#808
The Economic Argument














  • Psychic destruction in Belize

    "Two children are missing in Belize, and no one knows what happened to them. So a helpful 'psychic' declared that they had been fed to the crocodiles in a nearby sanctuary. The results were predictable.
    Reports are that the mob shot and killed some of the 17 crocs held in captivity at the sanctuary.
    The sanctuary looks like it was an amazing setup: all power was provided by solar and wind, they offered educational programs, they were training students, and they were also supporting local eco-tourism. And of course their primary mission was protecting endangered reptiles.

    Now it's all destroyed by the lies of one ignorant fraud, whipping up a mob into a ridiculous frenzy. Even now the people who ran the sanctuary can't come back — they've been threatened with death.

    Ignorance isn't just a passive failure. Ignorance topples and destroys the great things people build up."




  • Evolution Reigns, But Darwin Outmoded
    by Robert Lanza and Deepak Chopra
    05 OCT 2009

    Demonstrating yet again that the human capacity to come up with new whacky stuff is limitless.



  • Biocentrism Demystified: A Response to Deepak Chopra and Robert Lanza’s Notion of a Conscious Universe
    14 DEC 2009
    Editor’s Note: This article has been cited by P.Z. Myers at Pharyngula and Steven Novella at Neurologica, and has been reposted at RichardDawkins.net.
    "In their recent article in The Huffington Post, biologist Robert Lanza and mystic Deepak Chopra put forward their idea that the universe is itself a product of our consciousness, and not the other way around as scientists have been telling us. In essence, these authors are re-inventing idealism, an ancient philosophical concept that fell out of favour with the advent of the scientific revolution. According to the idealists, the mind creates all of reality."